Posts by Vernon Williams

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Newbies, Lurkers, Come on In, the water is nice.......

by AK - Jeff in

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18 years ago

go ahead.

make that plunge, your first post.

stay cloaked, or open up.. let the healing begin, the questions to flow.

18 years ago

Vernon Williams 18 years ago

To all that are "in the wings:" Jeff is right....jump in. If you are in the "Watch Tower Twighlight Zone:" In and thinking of leaving or out and thinking of going in or so miserable you want to puke or realizing things are nutty and the JWs are telling you YOU are the one that is insane......leave that murky area and move into the light.

One of the first steps is taking the first step.....

Jump in: at least you will have a place to vent and discuss things without fear of harm.

Yours in this Struggle,

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Video from 2007 Convention

by kwr in

18 years ago

this is only a few minutes long, but i thought people might be interested in viewing it.

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http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=33bf935e94036b41979b&page=8&viewtype=&category=mr

18 years ago

Vernon Williams 18 years ago

How happy, happy, HAPPY and blessed I feel not to be setting in that dumbed down, anti-Christ, mentally embalmed enviroment!

Thank you for this kind reminder of what we are missing.

I had never noticed how "cloned" the speakers sound.

Hey, the young, black preacher on the video....is there any chance of finding out who he is? This guy has guts and passion.......

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Elders ARE idiots!!

by Gill in

18 years ago

this has always been my opinion, even as a 'loyal' jw!

i thought that elders were idiots.

i have only ever known one who has ever had any real education, a solicitor and he was an arrogant twonk, the rest were a pathetic bunch of bullies who 'appeared' to be loving and kind but were infact out to find out the shit about everyone and cause as much trouble for everyone as possible.

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Vernon Williams 18 years ago

I knew several Elders that were "ok" however, in the end, if you question, they are as happy as a deranged pirate to help slit your throat.....

Many are caught up in an "unclean pratice:" Ego Masturbation. They, publicaly, stroke themselves, endlessly. Party on.....

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How good are you at hating?

by michael downing in

18 years ago

i posted this on another board on this site i didn't like the title and couldn't change it.

i don't think anybody wanted to read it because they thought it was actualy about baseball based on the title.

you'd be hard pressed to find a day between 1976 and 1987 that didn't contain one of my showstopping hyperactive bugouts.

18 years ago

Vernon Williams 18 years ago

Good post.

I hate baseball.

I think will get along in spite of that.

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Did Anybody Here Ever Want To Go To Heaven?

by minimus in

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18 years ago

.....either while you were a witness or when you were not??

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18 years ago

Vernon Williams 18 years ago

As a witness, I did not want to go to heaven.

I wanted an earthly paradise: shack on the beach, books, internet, swimming in the sea, good food, excellent wiskey, and a LOT of "forever" hot sex....aaaahhhhh.....after all, it is what Jehovah promised is it not?

Now, I have surrendered to the reality of the Kingdom as it will be and hope for a part in it: with all I know going in ahead of me. What will it be like? Do not know. Where? Ditto. How? Same.

Will it be better than what I hoped for as a JW? So much more...can not even imagine....

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My Dad

by KW13 in

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18 years ago

i've never really mentioned my real dad or our relationship but since we've just passed fathers day i thought i would.. the man mum lives with now is my stepdad who i've never seen eye to eye with until these recent months and despite the pain he caused me in the past i feel that i should look out for him now (he's quite a bit older than my mum, in his mid 50's now...not necessarily old but he had a stroke and his mental state isnt what i would describe as normal).

with him i've been on an emotional journey because i can finally move on from the problems he caused and even use my experiences for the better.

megan has played her part in this of course in more ways than one, her stepdad died recently and she didnt have the chance to forgive the things he did properly and it hurts her, i dont want that.

18 years ago

Vernon Williams 18 years ago

KW,

Life is a strange Journey.

One of the things I have learned is this: we can not make people into what we want them to be: family members included. I hope, at some point in the future, your Dad realizes he has a Son: a very special person and that he should have treated you as the special one you are. And, when that time comes, if it does...we can only hope....I hope you are able to let the past go and start at that point with him. You may only have a few days or years, and, yes, there will be scars, however, it might be worth the effort.

Wishing you and your Dad the best,

Yours in this Journey,

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What percentage of the congregation only see each other at the hall or f/s?

by truthseeker in

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18 years ago

it's fairly well established that organized social activity is almost non-existent in kingdom halls worldwide.. .

the purpose of going to the hall and preaching is to worship god.

yet, the wt leave out a critical component to their.

18 years ago

Vernon Williams 18 years ago

If you walked into any local KH in the Ozarks and had those df'd and reproved for sexual activitiy outside thier marriage bed raise thier hands it would look like, for just a momment, a "praise Jesus" momment in a Pentacostal Church.

I would say, at least here in the Ozark region, there is quite a lot of "social activity" going on outside the KH walls!

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Do you LOVE Jehovah's Witnesses?

by AK - Jeff in

18 years ago

i mean the people, not the religion.

in fact it moved me to make concession to a stalking jw, allowing them to be reinstated to the board this week.

i know they hate me nonetheless - but i still love them.

18 years ago

Vernon Williams 18 years ago

Jeff,

I meant I would "hope" for him: hope, to start with, that he would change his mind as far as his intent to damage me. Hope that he could change and give up this type of action permantly. Hope that he might accept the Good News and accept the fact that his inner core could be transformed and the impulse to evil would be overcome in an induring dynamic.

We can hope all we want: it does not change what is happening in the here and now. And, we have to deal with the immediate set of circumstances with our former associates in the JWs.

I can not say I "love" the JWs. This is because I am still a babe in this Christian walk. I am growing. I know I will be judged in the same way I judge others. Now, today, I see the JWs as sons and daughters of Satan. I see them as anti-Christ. Black hearted. Liers. Lovers of false teaching. Self deluded. Hatefull. They are spiritual fecal matter piled hip high and stinky.

I do not think I am far from right on what they are. However, my imaturity in Christ is not allowing me the pity and compassion I should have on thier insanity.

This is my error, not thiers. Here, you are much further down the path of Love than me.

Speaking of hope: I hope to catch up to you!

Yours in this Journey,

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Do you LOVE Jehovah's Witnesses?

by AK - Jeff in

18 years ago

i mean the people, not the religion.

in fact it moved me to make concession to a stalking jw, allowing them to be reinstated to the board this week.

i know they hate me nonetheless - but i still love them.

18 years ago

Vernon Williams 18 years ago

Jeff,

I wrote a fairly long reply to your question and, and, then, hit a button and lost it. My last sentence went something like this:

So, yes, I love the JWs: in the same way I would "love" a man trying to kill me with a knife. I would hope the best for him, now, and, in eternity, however, that hope would not distract me from the business at hand.

Yours,

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Why they won't try again...

by besty in

18 years ago

i have spoken to two jw's today's who are well acquainted with my non-conformist stand and absence from the meetings.

much difference in their readjustment approach <emotional v logical> but they shared this in common: .

they both explicitly refused my invitation to pursue the conversation to another session - both said they saw no basis for 'getting anywhere' and didn't see the point of endless conversations...i accept that but also think... .

18 years ago

Vernon Williams 18 years ago

In the movie "Troy" the charicter played by Brad Pitt approached the wall and challanged one of the leaders of Troy to personal battle...remember that? Sorry, have to go to work and can't look up the names.....

The warrior comes down, goes out, and fights. Win, loose, draw: doesn't matter.

The JWs, like this scene, or, like the soldiers in the Battle LIne of Israel when challanged by Golieth, are challanged to come off the wall and fight out in the open.

They will not. They cower and quiver and pee thier little pannies in the face of fact, logic, and capable arguementation.

They are wall clingers. Yet, they boast and crow from the wall as if they were capable of comming down and backing it up.

Old saying: the have an eagle mouth and a parakeeet a**.

Hang tough,

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